Should You Go To Culinary School?

25 comments - 03.01.2007

This is undoubtably the oldest entry I've ever posted.
It began in 1998 (or was is 1999?) when I first launched my site and almost from the get-go, I was inundated with requests from people inquiring whether or not they should go to cooking school, and more specifically, how to become a pastry chef.


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So I gathered my thoughts to help the undecided. Over the years, I've added a bit (namely including some links to blogs) and although I've added bits of advice that I've considered over the years, I'm finally posting it on the site.

If you're thinking about becoming a professional cook, whether or not to go to shool may be the ultimate question for you to ponder. There are some very good culinary schools, but in general, I think it's worth getting some experience either in a restaurant kitchen or bakery before you decide to invest a lot of money in education. Perhaps the work is far more challenging than expected or the pay is going to be far (very far) lower than what you're making as, say, an anesthesiologist.


Should You Go To Cooking School?

Over the years, I've gotten number of inquiries for people thinking they're like to cook professionally. Perhaps much of the interest began when the 'celebrity chef' craze took hold in the 80's and people began thinking it was exciting to work in a restaurant kitchen. I know, since I was one of those people. I loved restaurant work (well, most of the time) and it can be lots of fun depending on where you are. I've had some of the most fun times of my life working in restaurant kitchens, but it can also be a living hell.

Fortunately I was at Chez Panisse for over 12 years, in an environment where the quality of the ingredients and menus were of utmost importance. And we became somewhat of a loose-knit family, since many of us spent over a decade working together, night & day.

The downside of professional cooking is that the work can be extremely difficult, the hours are long, and it exhausts you down to the bone. A typical work day is often well over 8 hours and you rarely get a break. I'd once mentioned that at a fancy dinner party which completely stopped forks in mid-air. People had no concept of jobs without breaks.

And if you're sick or injured, you're expected to work.

Remember the last time you complained how long it took to get your food?
Well, perhaps the kitchen was short-staffed, or someone called in deathly-ill (which is the only way to take a sick day...trust me). And believe me, customers hate waiting for their food more than anything, and they don't care. I once had a very bad accident involving a knife and was lying on the floor in great pain with tears rolling down my cheeks and my hand wrapped in a blood-soaked towel, waiting to go to the hospital.

A waiter came by, leaned over me as if nothing was wrong, and calmly asked "Is there going to be any more Apple Tart soon? I have a table that's getting really freaking out that we've run out of it."

Professional cooking is exhausting and you'll find yourself engaging in unusual behavior after work; bowling with co-workers at 3 in the morning, consuming far too much wine, waking up on the floor of the dining room half-dressed, and becoming addicted to late-night reruns of Charlie's Angels which you discover your co-workers like too.
(When you've know the plot of each episode of The Love Boat by the celebrity guests shown at the beginning of each episode, it may be time for a new career with saner hours.)

In spite of it all, the work is a lot of fun.
You get to be creative, work with interesting people, and you see a lot of politically-incorrect nad borderline sexually-deviant behavior. (Boy, do I have a lot of stories there...someday, I think...someday...)

Plus you get to cook all day (and night.) The downside is the money. Most restaurant workers, such as line cooks, make $15,000 to $25,000 per year, and if you work in a major American city, that's not a heckuva lot of money. There's little room for advancement, unless you become the chef or sous chef, and even so, the pay is likely to be quite a comedown for anyone who's professionally employed in another field.

Be prepared for your work to become your social life. I spent my entire 20's and 30's working almost every night, and that was my sorry social life. I rarely went to parties and when I left the business I realized I missed having a relatively normal social life. While much of the restaurant business has become romanticized, it's a lot of work and you'll be giving up your nights and weekends.

I had a friend who wanted to start a catering company. When I suggested he keep his very high-paying job and work on weekends to see if he liked it, he told me, "Oh no, I don't want to work on weekends."


For more detailed advice on the business, you may want to read the following:

  • The Making of a Pastry Chef by Andrew MacClauchlan

  • On Becoming A Chef by Andrew Dornenburg and Karen Page

  • Letters To A Young Chef by Daniel Boulud

  • The Soul of A Chef by Michael Ruhlman

  • Kitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain


    So...Should You Go To Cooking School?

    Going to professional pastry school is a big and sometimes expensive commitment.

    Only you can tell if the cost will be worth it. Before you sign up for a private school, check to see if the city or state college in your area offers coursework. Eric Shelton became a prominent and highly-respected pastry chef in San Francisco and attended a local community college culinary program for a small fraction of the cost of a fancy private school.

    Another friend worked in admissions for an expensive private culinary school and was forced to attend seminars in 'recruiting techniques' that would make a Ron Popeil infomercial look tame. She was told to ask if they had any family pictures in their wallet. And when they opened their wallet, check to see if there were credit cards, which they could mention later as a source for the down payment. That's not to say all private schools are not good, or are trying to cheat students, and indeed I've visited several that were excellent. I just think you should investigate several options and speak to some of the graduates or check their blogs, listed below.


    My Advice

    I highly recommend volunteering (yes, folks, work for free) in a well-regarded restaurant kitchen or bakery before making any big changes or paying anyone anything. Every kitchen I've worked in could always use a good pair of hands to help. It's a great way to see if the work is for you. I had an intern tell me her first day while peeling apples, "This is really boring..." so I knew her career would be short-lived (and I hope I saved her thousands of dollars and years of misery.) The best assistant I ever had was a woman that was a flight attendant for Pan Am for many, many years. Even though she had no cooking experience, I knew that she could learn and handle anything. And I was right, she was a dynamo, learned quickly, and soon after I hired her could do anything I asked her to.

    As for schools, once you decide you want to cook professionally, you may want to go to school to hone your skills. I worked professionally for 20 years before I took any classes. At that point, I had learned the basics and knew what I wanted to focus on, which became chocolate and confectionary.

    I don't recommend any particular school, since each school and person is different. The schools that I attended, Ecole Lenôtre and Callebaut College (now called the Barry-Callebaut Chocolate Academy, are for professionals only who know the basics and already have many years of experience. These schools assume a certain level of knowledge and concentrate on advanced techniques.

    There are plenty of schools that do teach basics and you may want to check out the ads and listings in Pastry Art and Design Magazine for pastry schools, since many of the professional schools advertise there, as well as some of the online resources listed below.


    An Important Last Point...

    Lastly, be sure to properly thank people and express gratitude to those who assist you.

    If someone's taken the time to help you professionally, perhaps by giving you good advice or taken you in as an intern, be sure the remain on the best of terms with them. A short note or written message is good manners and always leaves a positive impression. I've kept in touch with some of my favorite interns and have given them great recommendations or helped them with their careers, as others have helped me. The professional cooking world is relatively small and news travels fast.
    So make sure the news about you is always good.


    Other sites that include commentary on the nature of restaurant work and may be of interest:

  • Finding a Cooking Class in Paris lists most of the cooking programs in Paris, here on my site.

  • eGullet Cooking Classes in France Forum talks about some of the places to learn the craft in France.

  • The eGullet Pastry & Baking Forum has many professionals who post frequently.

  • Kate at Accidental Hedonist asks the question, Is Culinary School Worth It?


    Here's some food blogs written by those who've gone to culinary schools or worked in restaurants and wrote about it. These provide good first-hand accounts and are full of insider-information. Some may require digging a bit through their archives:

  • Cindy at Food Migration for cooking school stories in Paris.

  • Pastry chef Kelly Muira's account of going through pastry programs in France: Pierre Hermé at Ferrandi and Bajard

  • Ashley makes Artisan Sweets.

  • The Food Whore caters and has a restaurant, and writes about her line of work with sharp humor.

  • Shuna at Eggbeater works in the San Francisco area and gives insight of her work as a pastry chef in various restaurants. She wrote a highly-opinionated post, Culinary School Advice, which is very worthwhile reading.

  • Chez Christine writes about going to cooking school in Paris and her internships as well.

  • Waiter Rant tells the tales of a waiter in New York City.

  • Restaurant owner Haddock at Knifes Edge chronicles his life as a chef.

  • Go behind-the-scenes in a three-star Parisian restaurant with Ms. Glaze at Pommes d'Amour.

  • More behind-the-scenes look at restaurant work at Chez Tse.

  • Louisa Chu at Movable Feast has worked in some of the best and most challenging restaurants in the world, including El Bulli.

  • 25 Comments

    There's so much useful information in here (so rare these days). Thank you for weeding out the weak.

    It has never occurred to me to go to cooking school (as opposed to taking a cooking class)--but then, I don't cook like a graduate! I often wonder how many people who think they want to cook for a (meager) living can't actually be bothered to cook for themselves most nights each week. When you're only doing something for money, it's just a job. Your comments offer a refreshing dose of reality.

    Another question could be interesting to answer:

    What about the average food lover that wants to increase his skills, speed and creativity? Are cooking classes for the public at the local culinary institute the best way to go or taking night classes in a regular culinary program?

    I have taken a few cooking classes here and there and even the most advanced ones are -really- low level stuff. The most interesting one I took was about baking because there is definitly a challenge in making croissants and viennoises but apart from that it kinda sucked (ie, I know how to saute some vegetables, it ain't rocket science). But cooking school seem too big of a time investment for somebody that doesn't want to do this professionally.

    Sounds similar to working in my profession...animation. >__^

    Simon: That's a good point. Something like making croissants you can learn up to a point, but it takes a lot of practice to get proficent at them, like many things. I know there are some professional-style culinary schools that have courses that span over a few weeks or months, and I would imagine they are good for learning more advanced-level techniques since more novices would likely not want to commit to a longer course. You might see if your local bakery or restaurant could use a volunteer. You'd be surprised at how receptive they might be to have some help in the kitchen (especially good help!) We had people like that at Chez Panisse often.
    I think in San Francisco, Tante Marie's offers cooking classes like that. I'm not sure about other cities but perhaps if any other readers know of any, they can leave that info here in the comments.

    Great information David I once taught a class for High School students called So You Want to Be a Chef! I wanted to make sure they did not think life was like the Food Network ! Some loved the experience and really flourished others I lost at deboneing a Chicken.

    I can tell you that having a chef for a father is hell on family life. My father was never there for school activities at night, and was only home one or two nights a week. So, if having a family is part of your plan, you might want to think twice.

    David, Thanks so much for the link and such an insightful post. I just wanted to clarify that it's acutally me (ashley) who writes on artisan sweets, the blog and my very talented husband (gabe) who takes the photos.
    Thanks again. I greatly enjoy reading your blog and am honored to be mentioned.

    Why is it that only the owner, the head chefs and the waiters make any money? Isn't there a way to manage it so that the kitchen staff work eight hour shifts and are paid a living wage? Why does it stay so unbalanced even in successful restaurants? Greed?

    I know that tip pooling helps, but is that the only way? I am really looking for a way to correct this problem. Thanks!

    Hi David,
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this subject. I think your practical and realistic pieces of advice are very helpful!

    I thought I'd share my very brief cooking school foray. I decided to test my fantasy of giving up my English lecturer day job and trying cooking school. I went to a recruitment dinner at a private school in a major American city (the recruiters were of the "do you have a credit card / here's the form for 15,000 in Federal loans" ilk). About halfway through I had a revelation: going to cooking school because you "like to cook" is exactly like going to graduate school in English because you "like to read." In both cases, the actual day-to-day life is completely different from the elements that draw you to it in the first place. So I went back to my day job and used my salary to buy more nice cooking supplies.

    I got burnt out working IT for 10 years so I thought I'd try changing careers. I liked cooking so I figured I'd use my IT money to give cooking school a try. I spent a year at one school learning about the savory side and another year at another school learning all about baking and pastry. I interned at a nice French restaurant as an assistant pastry chef for a month and thought everything was good. Upon graduating, I got a job working for The Four Seasons Hotel. After two years and a month in the biz, I realized it was not the job for me. I worked 14hr days for nearly $10hr 6days/week.

    Would I do it again? In a heartbeat. I may be a bit smarter next time, but...What I've learned can't be taken away from me. I use what I've learned almost every day since. As a bonus, every now and then people pay me to make fancy foods for them.

    I'm back in IT again, it does suck, but the pay is far too much to give up at this point.

    Mimi: But I'll bet you ate well on his days off!

    Ashley: Gulp...another example of women doing all the work, and men getting all the credit ; )

    Jef: Your experience is similar to many friends of mine, who I now tell, "Just throw fabulous dinner parties if you like to cook...and don't quit your day job!"

    When I was a pastry chef somewhere, the chef and I figured out for the amount of hours we were working, we were making something like $1.65 per hour.

    Junglegirl: That's a great question, and one that has raised a bit of ire over the last few years. At Chez Panisse, we were one of the first restaurants to go to a European-style service compris, which was mostly movitvated to balance the pay between the kitchen staff and floor staff. I don't think it's legal for a restaurant to demand that the waiters give up some of their tips to the kitchen or other staff (even though it's done.) Plus since the waiters get taxed on their tips, it creates a sticky situation, tax-wise. So that was the solution. And I should note that Chez Panisse was one of the few restaurants I've worked at where the kitchen and floor staff got along well. (!)

    The initial problem switching to service-compris was compensating the waiters so they wouldn't be taking a big pay cut. The second problem is a lot of people in America have trouble with the 'service included' business, since often a tip is considered payment for a 'job well done', rather than part of the wages. Some customers resent that system in the states. (And I single out the US, since it's the only country that I know of with a relatively-mandatory 15 to 20%-style tip system in place.)

    Several prominent restaurants have switched to the 'tip included' system, which I prefer. It's so much easier and insures that all people get paid fairly. As for people concerned that service will decline, there are waiters all over the world who do a great job that work in 'service compris' restaurants. Perhaps the model needs to change.

    As Steven Shaw pointed out in his book, Turning The Tables, the restaurant with the best service in the world doesn't take tips: McDonald's.

    And don't get me started on those 'tip cups' everywhere. Why not just raise the price of coffee 25 cents and pay the people who work there more? That would ensure they get paid an agreed upon amount of money rather than relying on people dropping change into those cups.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this subject. I think your practical and realistic pieces of advice are very helpful! I also have some interesting matter in my website.

    href="http://www.culinaryartsonline.com">Culinary Arts Degrees & Culinary Arts Education

    As a son of a cook, and a family who worked in and owned restaurants, I say amen to your words of caution, David. Horribly long hours, stress, extreme physical labor,...I knew pretty quickly from a young age that there was little glamour in this field.
    You also could have mentioned that most of your co-workers will definitely be, shall we say, "sui generis." I don't know what it is about the industry that attracts people with what we would politely call "borderline personalities," (you, David, of course being the exception!) but Tony Bourdain was right when he said that most of them are characters right out of a Damon Runyon novel.

    I read Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential -- and was really fascinated (and terrified) by the cooking-in-a-hypermasculine-warzone portrait he painted of the industry --
    then again, I worked (as a server) in a small family-owned restaurant, and the craziest person was the restaurant owner/chef who used to greet the customers in his blood-stained apron (and then turn around and scream at the staff).
    I'm a bit ambivalent about service compris. Maybe it's because I'm a drama queen -- I really *liked* thinking of the tip as a reward for my efforts -- and knew that I did better than less-dedicated co-workers. But then, that was part of the reason I took the job to begin with -- I wanted to feel that I had an immediate effect on people and vice versa. Probably all an illusion in retrospect. Good tippers always tip. The best service won't change the mind of a lousy tipper. Okay, you won me over.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been wrestling with this question for days. With having already accumulated a large pile of school debt I couldn't imagine on spending a Large amount more to go to Culinary School when all I really want is to learn a few more skills to open a place of my own. (A Bed & Breakfast, not a full blown restaurant, I'm not crazy.) The community college suggestion is perfect, as is volunteering for a bakery. These things I (and my meager finances) can handle. I appreciate the frank and honest advice!

    Thanks for the link!

    I keep thinking I'm done writing about this subject and then I get another letter... We're definitely in a time where the subject is all the rage.

    If you feel like passing it on-- I am about to be teaching on a regular basis in the Bay Area. Thorough baking classes as well as Knife Skills;

    http://eggbeater.typepad.com/shuna/classes/index.html

    and I hear you may be in our 'hood again soon-- can't wait to eat at Ici with you!
    xo

    Thank you. As someone who has had to disabuse many a person about their erroneous rosy ideas about culinary careers, I'm glad you wrote this. Most people are taken in by the Food Network or glossy magazines and seem to think that professional restaurant kitchens will allow them to swan about at their leisure, making up whatever dish they please (in impeccable chef's whites, no less). None of them are aware of the reality of the back-breaking work, the horrible hours (every weekend and holiday included!), the relatively low pay -- or the fact that anyone who achieves any success in the professional kitchen eventually hies his/her heinie out ASAP for consulting gigs, catering or teaching jobs at culinary schools (if they're in any shape to do so).

    By the way -- one of my fondest professional memories is watching you one night at Chez Panisse, turning out plum tarte tatin after plum tarte tatin and garnishing them all with mascarpone ice cream, all the while describing the latest episode of "Studs" (yes, this was a long time ago -- Kathleen Stewart had asked Lindsey if I could watch you, and you were very tolerant). Thank you for that and for your terrific blog.

    I would love to go to culinary school but the harsh reality of it is the pay is not very good afterwards unless you have plans of opening your own restaurant...and then again that's another headache.

    Cooking school? The best way to learn how to cook or bake is to jump right in and start with the basics. If you're willing to work your way up in a kitchen you will really know if cooking or baking is the a passion you have. No person can survive the stressful, yet exciting moments in the kitchen for long if they are not passionate about cooking. I graduated from the CCC in San Francisco. I learned more in my first job as an assistant pastry chef than my entire culinary education, albeit my father is a chef (who did not go to culinary school) and I learned a lot from him. To those who are thinking about culinary school, get a taste of the heat and long hours. But most importantly don't be afraid to be creative and make mistakes!

    i have a question how much money will i make?

    I love the post. I worked a couple months as a teenager at a small but wanna-be fancy restaurant. The food was hungarian based, and actually pretty good. After working up from dishawasher, everyone quit when our paychecks didn't come on time, I made head chef. We good some good reviews, people said my cooking was better than the chefs after some harsh criticism. Anyhow I got fired. Upten years later I went back back to school, and now at 28 I am a junior in IT/software gig, and I was thinking about changing to culinary arts instead. I wander what it would be to finish some of the great cooking skills I learned from my boss. He was a great chef, but a horrible business person.
    The only time I didn't like the hours was during college football time. Which I could get by with only two or three games a year I suppose. But the money! Now that is a hard piece of meat to swallow. To bad the fun things in life are usually the ones that don't pay anything. Maybe I should be a professional fisherman.

    Its so funny - professional cooking sounds almost as punishing as my job (movie production) except worse. and yet so much fun in the end, if you love it...

    Cooks are much like musicians. Not just because the pay is lousy, unless you are a star, the hours are terrible and the high rate of alcoholism and drug addiction. It's hard to go solo, you need a great band. And you must play together. Nothing like when the kitchen is in tune with one another, same level of energy, on their game. Just like an orchestra. Also, in music and cooking, some are very talented, others are hacks. Some are naturals without a formal education, some are just pretty faces who talk the talk, but don't really know what they are doing, nor could they manage in a real pressured situation. I'd venture to say also, that the high you get from being good at what you do, and giving a great performance is what makes all the crap you put up with worthwhile.

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